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    Default Motion of Non-Confidence Passed

    OK, chat about it here because I'm still learning. I want to hear your thoughts and political forecasts.

    Conservative government falls in non-confidence vote - thestar.com

    OTTAWA—Stephen Harper’s minority Conservative government has been defeated in a non-confidence vote.

    The Friday afternoon vote was a moment of rare parliamentary drama as Liberal, New Democrat and Bloc Quebecois MPs stood one by one to signal their opposition to the ruling Conservatives.

    The Conservatives were defeated in a 156 to 145 vote.

    Harper is expected to visit Governor General David Johnston at Rideau Hall Saturday morning to set in motion an election that will likely send Canadians to the polls on May 2 or May 9.

    It will be Canada’s fifth election in just over 10 years – three of those elections have produced minority governments.

    In the 308-seat House of Commons, the Conservatives have 143 seats, the Liberals 77, the Bloc 47 and the NDP 36. There are two Independent MPs and three vacancies.

    Harper was due to speak in the Commons foyer after the vote, followed by Ignatieff.

    The vote caps an acrimonious morning as opposition MPs put forward their arguments to topple the Tories.

    “Enough is enough,” Ignatieff declared, adding that Harper has shown disrespect for democracy, undermined Canada’s finances and chosen to spend money on “jets and jails” instead of measures to help Canadian families.

    “A government that does not respect democracy does not deserve to remain in power,” Ignatieff said in the Commons Friday morning.

    He said the Harper government had failed to address vital issues such as health care, child care and assistance for “Canadian families in poverty.”

    Instead, he said, the Conservatives are devoting billions of dollars to purchasing 65 F-35 fighters, building prisons and providing income tax breaks for corporations.

    “So we need a change,” Ignatieff said. Previewing his election campaign platform, he went on to say the priorities for Ottawa’s spending should be early learning and childcare; post-secondary education for all, “especially for aboriginal and immigrant Canadians;” energy efficiency and “green jobs;” care for ill family members and better support for the retired.

    Ignatieff kicked off debate on the Liberals’ motion that declares that the Commons has lost confidence in the Conservative government after the “unprecedented” committee finding that it was in contempt of Parliament.

    “We did not seek an election. But if we need one to replace a government that doesn’t respect democracy with one that does, I can’t think of a more necessary election,” Ignatieff said to the applause of his caucus.

    He said there is a “hunger” among Canadians for a new direction after five years of Conservative rule.

    “Enough of the politics of fear. Enough of the politics of division,” he said.

    Government House Leader John Baird signaled the Conservative campaign will renew its negative characterization of the Liberals and NDP as a coalition determined with the help of the Bloc Quebecois to gang up on the Tories. Harper used this gambit to rally the public against the opposition in late 2008 when the Liberals, NDP and BQ joined forces in an attempt to defeat the government over what they saw as an inadequate federal budgetary plan.

    In an acrimonious debate that appeared to preview a hard-hitting campaign, Baird accused the opposition “coalition” of forcing a “reckless” election at a time when Parliament was achieving results.

    He said it’s opposition MPs who have shown “real contempt” for Parliament by ganging up on the government.

    “They will have to answer for that,” Baird said.

    He said the election will weaken Canada’s economic recovery and derail measures outlined in Tuesday’s budget, such as more cash for the poorest seniors.

    NDP Leader Jack Layton said Harper could have tried to avoid an election by working with other parties to improve Tuesday’s budget but the Prime Minister did not do so.

    “The truth is the Prime Minister prefers to have an election,” Layton told MPs.

    Presiding over the debate and the historic vote to come was Peter Milliken, his last day as Speaker of the House of Commons. Milliken, a Liberal who represents Kingston and the Islands, is not running for re-election.

    He was first elected Speaker in 2001 and has held the post since then, making him the longest serving Speaker in Canadian history. In a day when the Commons was filled with sharp partisan rhetoric, all parties took a break to pay tribute to Milliken’s service.

    “With your departure, this place loses a faithful guardian,” Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff said.

    NDP MP Libby Davies noted that Milliken presided over many key parliamentary moments, such as breaking a tie vote in 2005 to prevent an early federal election.

    Davies hoped that Milliken, a long-time student of parliamentary procedure, isn’t “left to muttering ‘order’ in your sleep.”
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    What??? Are you freaking kidding me? The Conservatives are gone?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???
    LondonMoms has really gone downhill, ever since they started chit chatting in the home and garden forum. There is a place for chit chat, people!!!

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    It means there will be an election... right? Not that they're gone-gone?

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    It means that Stephen Harper is going to see the GC to disolve the government as it stands now and then we'll be in election mode again. I'm glad because I'm tired of this fit taking “I'm going to pull the plug on government“ crap the liberals, bloc & NDP play when they don't get everything they want. Really, I'd like to see the current government wiped clean and we start all over again. But that's a pipe dream to never come true.

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    Another election - yes. No better options in any of the parties imo. I wish all of the parties would shake up their leaders and give us some better options.

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    OMG I am so excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myrrah View Post
    What??? Are you freaking kidding me? The Conservatives are gone?????????????????????????????????????????????? ???
    Oh, I wish.... but the poles are kind of scary and they could come out with another Conservative minority And the Liberals haven't exactly got their act together well enough to take a majority from the looks of it.

    I'm getting tired of all the elections and nothing really changing!

    Can we get rid of McGuinty at the same time we're at it???

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    I am glad there will be an election so I can see the process before I become a citizen. I also think (in my limited opinion) the minority parties and their leaders are underrated. Ignatief is a bit of a tool, but I've read several of his books and I think he's highly capable of running the government. It is really too bad that he has a tendency to talk to people like he's a Kindergarten teacher.

    And man. Harper is looking old, old, old.

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    How will this change (or maybe not) change the recent Canadian activity of joining the effort in Libya? Or for any of the troops fighting overseas? I suppose we have to wait to see who gets it.




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    I am sooo not excited about another Election. I will actually try to vote this year though. I wanted to vote last time but got stuck at work. :P It's so hard to decide who to vote for since no one really speaks to me. :P I'm not conservative but I can't stand the liberal smear campaigns and voting NDP I've been informed is a “waste of a vote“, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eversoclever View Post
    I am glad there will be an election so I can see the process before I become a citizen. I also think (in my limited opinion) the minority parties and their leaders are underrated. Ignatief is a bit of a tool, but I've read several of his books and I think he's highly capable of running the government. It is really too bad that he has a tendency to talk to people like he's a Kindergarten teacher.

    And man. Harper is looking old, old, old.
    Ignatief could, but if he can't get his act together and talk to the people voting, then they won't get in and we'll have another minority.

    I agree, minorities can be a good thing and I'd support changing to a system where there is some seats based on proportional representation to give the smaller parties a bigger (or some) say. However, multiple in a row with Stevie-boy and elections being called by his government is getting annoying and costly!

    Quote Originally Posted by MKodweis View Post
    How will this change (or maybe not) change the recent Canadian activity of joining the effort in Libya? Or for any of the troops fighting overseas? I suppose we have to wait to see who gets it.
    Nothing will change that is already set in motion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Upsidedownmuffin View Post
    and voting NDP I've been informed is a “waste of a vote“, etc.
    I dislike this. LOL. I hate when DH tells me that's one of his reasons to NOT vote for something. Honestly, listen to the campaigns and make your own decision. Screw everyone elses opinion. It's a sealed ballot for a reason.

    And WTF is what the paper throwing after they adjourn?? I didn't know we hired a government akin to my student government from highschool?! I can't believe we voted for these boneheads.

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    “The contempt charge marks a first for a national government anywhere in the Commonwealth.“

    I take it this is a big deal?

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    Oh man I hate the waste of a vote thing too. If everyone who thought it was a waste of a vote just voted their opinion then it wouldnt be a 'waste of a vote KIWM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eversoclever View Post
    “The contempt charge marks a first for a national government anywhere in the Commonwealth.“

    I take it this is a big deal?
    So they say. It's never happened before. If I'm hearing right (listening to the news right now) that the opposition asked for paperwork and information regarding Iraq and other government docs and they were either ignored, stonewalled, or otherwise brushed off. So, it looks like the house brought the government down as opposed to any one party. So everyone comes out smelling like roses. At least that's my understanding. I'm sure there's more to it tho then my limited understanding.

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