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Old 05-29-2010, 12:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Yesterday I had a meeting with Daegan's current grade one teacher to discuss his progress. He has had a much better year than last. Academic gains are being made but the gap between him and his grade level (he is repeating grade 1) is growing. I honestly do not expect him to ever be working to traditional curriculum levels. The teacher agrees that his progress would have been much greater if he were to have more respources. Up until this year he had 100% EA coverage, this year it had been reduced to 50%.

Monday I will be touring a developmental education classroom. It is termed a "high functioning" classroom. If I accept the placement Daegan will bring the class size up to 7. It has one teacher and three EA's.

My issue... ratio is appearing to be the prime reason for placing him into the specialized classroom. It just seems like a pathetic reason to me.
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Is it churchill ps? they have a great classes there We are so happy with Braxton's academic gains this year. More this year then in the previous 5 years of school !!
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I understand your concerns, wish I had some advice but we are just getting started with the school system. What I have experienced so far makes me very nervous for the future. We have been told there are no resources for kids “like DS“, we have another school meeting so we will see how that goes.
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I live in Kitchener. The school I will be touring is called Northlake Woods and it is located in Waterloo.

My layman's gut is telling Daegan can be the “stupid“ kid in a regular classroom or a “smart“ kid in a devEd classroom. Yeah, I could script a pretty convincing note about the benefits of either placement but honestly, I just don't like it
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I know where you are coming from. We went through this in jan with Emma. We decided to give the developmental class a try and there is NO regrets. She has come a long way just since jan, and has so much more 1on1 there (her class is 6 kids 1 teacher and 3 EA's) soon to be 7 children
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take the title of the classroom out of the picture - in which room will he be most successful. Will he be more successful in the regular classroom where he is always struggling to keep up or in the dev't classroom where there are extra supports but he maybe ahead of the rest of the kids. There are many issues to consider, talk to the dev't teacher if you can, try and find out their plan is it to eventually transition him back if he is able? And yes they may be making their decision based on the supports available. It is very difficult for schools to get the funding to pay for the students they feel should have it. However, once in a special classroom, it is easier for them to get the supports.

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I get your issues but look at my situation a few years down the line you will be so happy he is there verus a normal one I am fighting for a class size like that and hitting block
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Yeah, I know.. Daegan was in the equivalent of a DevEd classroom for JK (communications class at Kids Ability) and it was wonderful. I am keeping an open mind.. that is why I requested him to be observed to identify my options for placement next year. It does all depend on what my gut tells me when I see this room. It is more than academics that I am looking at... I need to feel comfortable with the teacher, the support staff, the other students, etc. Also, every school seems to handle its specialized classrooms and integration so differently. I've seen some schools handle things better than others. I'll know better on Monday.
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Good luck on your decision. I am sure it won't be an easy one to make.
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Which one would he enjoy more? I would guess with a better ratio like that, he might enjoy more one on one time but also more closeknit friendships perhaps?
Do you think he'd be offended, upset etc at the new class? Would it keep him with kids closer to his own age, but also closer to his own academic abilities?
I don't have a child in this situation and can't say how I'd feel in your shoes. But that's the kind of stuff I'd think about. And like you said, observe it first and keep an open mind.
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Yeah, I know.. Daegan was in the equivalent of a DevEd classroom for JK (communications class at Kids Ability) and it was wonderful. I am keeping an open mind.. that is why I requested him to be observed to identify my options for placement next year. It does all depend on what my gut tells me when I see this room. It is more than academics that I am looking at... I need to feel comfortable with the teacher, the support staff, the other students, etc. Also, every school seems to handle its specialized classrooms and integration so differently. I've seen some schools handle things better than others. I'll know better on Monday.
congrats on walking in wiht an open mind = so not easy to have to make these decisions - I know for me there is always that little voice at the back saying “what if I make the wrong decision“ - but I try and keep reminding myself I am making the best decision I can based on the info I have at the time of the decision!
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....I know for me there is always that little voice at the back saying “what if I make the wrong decision“ - but I try and keep reminding myself I am making the best decision I can based on the info I have at the time of the decision!
Too true! It is so hard to know that what we're doing is the right thing! I second guess all the time too. Will have to try to pick up the second part of your mantra on that though.
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We had a hard time with the decision to move DS as well. We toured three classrooms and knew it the second we were in his. Everything just fit. It has been three years now and he is flourishing. He has friends and even has playdates. They are more than a developmental class, they are a second family for him.
10 kids, 1 teacher, and 2 EA's - one specially assigned to work with DS.
And, oh, they call it the “discovery class“ at my DS's school. I love it on the name alone!

I hope yoou are able to go in on Monday and “just know“ one way or the other.

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Well... I walked in with the open mind and walked out not liking what I saw.

The tour was scheduled during their snack time. Come on, what can I really see during this? The teacher seemed really cool but he won't be the teacher next year. The large majority of the students in the class will not be in the room next year..they are “graduating“ (class only goes up to grade 6). Only two students will be returning in the fall. Grade level wise, it does not seem to bad.. next year the students will range between grade 1 and 4. Daegan will be in grade 2 but age wise grade 3 (repeated gr1 this year).

The room itself and my impression of how the day was described to me.. Daegan would be taking some steps backwards. It had a real Jk feel to it.. right down to the bathroom in the class which I was invited to check out... uh, no thank-you. Daegan is past the stage where I would have any interest in checking out an in-classroom toilette facility.

The current students are not working on any traditional curriculum. It is more a life-skills kind of focus which I can respect but I need more than that. For example: the students are all excused from french... Deagan was excused from french last year but this year it was re-introduced and he is picking up on it. There might be some flexibility in having Daegan go into some regular classrooms for some material but exactly how much.. I'd have to place him then work it out... I don't like that. The DevEd day is shortend and he would not be able to stay until the “normal“ dismissal due to resources and busing. I estimate the bus ride to be about an hour for him. The classroom operates on its own schedule separate from the rest of the school.

The kids in the class are bused in from all across the region. Slim to none chance of developing social relationships outside of the school hours. Daegan is extremely social. He needs to build on these skills and develop relations outside of the classroom. I see the challenges with being an out-of-district student with my daughter Taylor. My kids need to know people in their neighbourhood and have a social life (playdates, birthday parties, etc)

There are gr 5/6 students in the school who regularly volunteer in the classroom. This was the answer I got regarding how the DevEd students are mingled with the normal population.

If I were shopping around for a daycare... yeah, maybe but I'm looking for school. I do like the ratio but I cannot justify sending him to what I saw today. Alot of “tweaking“ would need to be done and I do not see that happening realistically.

I ended up having to ask alot of hypothetical questions because I am being asked to consider a placement that essentially does not exist. Uh, yeah.. I could say sure.. bus my kid thru Kitchener to the far side of Waterloo and in the first 6weeks of class figure out his IEP needs etc, and determine if he is in a good placement or not but at what cost? I'd already pulled him out of the envirmonent and people he was accustomed to, potentially put where he doesn't belong, only to be shipped back to his home school? How disruptive is that to him, the new school and his home school? Yeah, tell me about the nightmare of securing resources at his homeschool under those circumstance.

On top of everything else... my personal opinions about this person at the board office who arranged and escourted me today had just been reinforced yet again. She was unable to answer any of my barely specific questions that would pertain to my child specifically so she promised to send home some curriculum with Daegan today to give me a clearer idea of what next year will be like. She has been involved in his care to one extent or another right from day one entering the public school system for SK... should she not have some background knowledge? I flat out asked her what my options were... I was told the room I saw or continue at the home school... I don't think so... more like how much do I want to rock the boat this year. Remember, this is the same woman I talked to countless times last year when I was fighting to retain Daegan. She is the woman who caused so much trouble... got my EA in big trouble and flat-out lied to me so many times.. telling me that they were merely following board policy.... a board policy that never existed! I swear, I have zero faith in this woman.

This woman has mentioned on several occasions that this is one of the higher functioning classes in the region. Another school has been identified by her as being a high functioning room but it is full. There are 8 students scheduled to be in in next year. I asked about touring it.. Daegan could be student #9.. class size can be up to 10. I was told no but if something happened and one of the students drops out Daegan could have that spot.. uh... not good enough. I'd like to see it. I'd also like to have his placement determine before the end of this academic year.

So essentially what did I tour today: a room.... I can only say that because next year it will be filled with a new teacher and new students. How can anyone expect a parent to make a choice based on that? Oh yeah. I have until Wednesday to make this choice
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time to go above her now! This year we got the ALT (board level) involved and her superior, it was her superior that said enough was wnough and got things momving. Unfortunately a little too late and not moving enough so we are changing schools, but go above her especially if you have had all of these issues with her.
I find it hard to believe in a community of your size, that there are only 2 options.

Sorry you did not have a better experience
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