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    Default sick days vs vacation days

    I'm just wondering since I have neither.

    If you run out of vacation days, are you able to use sick days as vacation?

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    Not me, personally. But yes, people do that. All the freakin time. And as a supervisor, WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

    Oh, you're not supposed to though. Is that what you mean? Sick days are for when you're sick, they aren't an entitlement. Vacation is something you're entitled to.

    ETA: You've hit a nerve here. :P I get so so so so so irritated when people use up all x number of sick days like they're extra days off or something.
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    Yeah, I mean are you supposed to or not. Is there some kind of legal guideline or government thing I could reference about that? Also, if you knowingly allow someone to use sick days for vacation is there repercussions on the person that allowed it?

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    I don't have sick days at my now job --- but in my old jobs I wasn't allowed to use them for anything but illness. If I used a "sick" day (off paid without using a VAC or OT day) then I was supposed to be too ill to haul my butt to work.

    I've never heard of being able to use sick time to top up or add to vacation time - especially since I don't think employers are required under the ESA to give you sick days (paid). Having said that there may be fabulous employers out there that let you.

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    Um, I think in general, the person calling in sick does it that day, not in advance. And they usually have the courtesy to fake it. So, at least where I work, it's not an 'allowing' thing, since they do it before anyone shows up and all we get is a message with a fake-sick voice on a Friday before the long weekend, yk?

    As for legalities, I have no idea. Want me to ask around? You talking specifics? Wanna pm me or something?

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    I just double checked and employment standards doesn't cover / set standards for sick time / bereavement / medical appointments for self or family etc. so employers (generally) aren't required to even pay you if off "sick".

    If you're looking for some support here is the MOL's website citing the "rules"

    http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...ts/fs_faq.html

    Not sure if it's applicable to your potential situation but I do know of a few employers who allowed people to book their "sick" days in advance of having things like minor treatments (and these were provincial not-for-profit employers who don't have tons of money to throw around on employee benefits) so that kind of thing isn't that uncommon even though not specifically covered under the ESA.

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    I think it depends on the 'company' and how the policy is worded.

    My last employer we got '10 paid personal days' that could be used for illness,family emergencies or as a 'mental health' ... it was clearly explained if you didnt use them you would loose them so lots of people with immune systems of rock would book a 'mental health' week as the year end was approaching ... me I was always using them up cause I caught ever little bug out there I worked in daycare where 'germs' were in abundance! Ironically working from home I have only missed on work day due to illnesses since Sept 2007

    My partner works for the government - and they are the same way....they call them 'personal days' as well. Use them or loose them so he is always booking long weekends here and there cause he is NEVER sick either.

    I personally think that if I had been one of the 'never ill' people I would have booked mental health time off as well - although I agree that it is better to book them in advance and allow people and supervisors to prepare for the absense then to 'fake' it the morning off...that is just not fair to everyone else. However over my career I have found that when a company only allows them to be used for 'illness' and makes people feel crappy for using their days then this is what will occur ... the last minute and often 'fake' calls ... as people DO see paid sick days as an 'entitlement' and if they are never sick or do not have children to use them up on then they feel they are being 'ripped off' from those who do....kwim? It is not very hard to get a Dr to write a note that says 'so and so was too ill to attend work today' and for people who really feel the 'need' to take the days as 'mental health' days paying $10 bucks for a note to get 8 hours of paid time off is worth it

    As for Employment Standards it is my understanding that companies that employ more the 50 persons are required to offer employees 10 Emergency days per year ... they do not 'have' to be paid although some companies choose to ...but employees are 'entitled' to take them without fear of reprisal from an employer....again it goes back to how the company words these policies

    http://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/...ts/fs_faq.html

    Just my 2cents

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    LMAO - sorry happymommy must have been looking up the website while you were posting

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    At one of my agencies, I got 4 weeks vacation (not including a week off at Christmas), something astronomical like 45 sick days??, 2 personal days, and two emergency days. Sick days were for when you were sick. Period. Emergency days were for when, say, your kids were sick and you didn't have childcare - you couldn't 'plan' an emergency (or in my case, when you got snowed in at home in London!). Personal days were mental health days.

    Anyway, if you can believe it, we had a couple staff use up every last day available to them. It was nearly 3mos of them not working in every year. The sick day policy was not a 'right' but something there in case you had something actually wrong, like on bedrest from pregnancy, or cancer treatment, or surgery. If you feel the need to take that much time off work, you should find a different job.

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    You can do it the other way around though sometimes. For instance, when I was pregnant, I ended up off work for 3 weeks because I had such bad morning sickness and landed in the hospital. I used up all of my sick days, and basically started eating into my vacation days. It was my employer's discretion though I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle View Post
    ....Anyway, if you can believe it, we had a couple staff use up every last day available to them. It was nearly 3mos of them not working in every year. The sick day policy was not a 'right' but something there in case you had something actually wrong, like on bedrest from pregnancy, or cancer treatment, or surgery...

    I worked in Human Resources end for 5 years - I can so believe that people used EVERY possible day available to them - although I have never worked anywhere where you got 45 sick days let alone 4 weeks vacation.. the best we ever had was 12 days at full pay and 12 days at 50% pay and the ole 2 week stand vacation.

    Unfortunately many employees veiw them as 'entitilements' ...they see them as 'factored into their wage' meaning that if the company didnt offer the 45 paid sick days then they could offer them a higher wage in leiu ...not my view but what I have often heard when counselling poeple on 'absenteeism issues'... and when you have something ridiculous like 45 days sick days people think that they are 'loosing out' on signigicant paid time off if they do not use them for their true intent. In instances such as that if they do not want people to use them willy nilly they need to reword the policy to something along the lines of dividing those days up to 10 days availabe for periodic illness and 35 Short Term disability days meaning that you can only access the 35 days IF you have an emergency that requires extended absence and with a Dr note.

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    Thanks for your replies everyone!

    Why do people always try to take advantage of things? Ugh, so frustrting.

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